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		<title>By: Harry Wood</title>
		<link>http://www.cloudsourced.com/2010/07/06/whats-wrong-with-openstreetmap/comment-page-1/#comment-367</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 13:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See the wiki page &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/SotM_2010_session:_What%E2%80%99s_wrong_with_OSM%3F_Panel_discussion&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SotM 2010 session: What’s wrong with OSM? Panel discussion&lt;/a&gt; for post-event links to videos / write ups / blog responses

Currently there&#039;s a video shot by Ikiya, but I believe there should&#039;ve have been a video with better sound quality recorded by the venue people (not released yet, but maybe one day)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See the wiki page <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/SotM_2010_session:_What%E2%80%99s_wrong_with_OSM%3F_Panel_discussion" rel="nofollow">SotM 2010 session: What’s wrong with OSM? Panel discussion</a> for post-event links to videos / write ups / blog responses</p>
<p>Currently there&#8217;s a video shot by Ikiya, but I believe there should&#8217;ve have been a video with better sound quality recorded by the venue people (not released yet, but maybe one day)</p>
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		<title>By: apmon</title>
		<link>http://www.cloudsourced.com/2010/07/06/whats-wrong-with-openstreetmap/comment-page-1/#comment-354</link>
		<dc:creator>apmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 13:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@StevenFeldman, I don&#039;t know if your question was &quot;genuine&quot; or just mentioned as a discussion suggesition. Also given it is now past the pannel question, perhaps it is pointless to comment, but...

I think one of the best ways for companies to &quot;pay for getting (attribute) coverage&quot;, is for companies to sponsor good visualisations of those attributes and the development of easy to use editor support for them. One nice example for this is the josm turn-restriction editor originally sponsored by skobbler, or their OSM bugs page focused on routing attributes. Or indeed also the great visualisation work sponsored by ITO, which helps to motivate the community to go out and collect these features.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@StevenFeldman, I don&#8217;t know if your question was &#8220;genuine&#8221; or just mentioned as a discussion suggesition. Also given it is now past the pannel question, perhaps it is pointless to comment, but&#8230;</p>
<p>I think one of the best ways for companies to &#8220;pay for getting (attribute) coverage&#8221;, is for companies to sponsor good visualisations of those attributes and the development of easy to use editor support for them. One nice example for this is the josm turn-restriction editor originally sponsored by skobbler, or their OSM bugs page focused on routing attributes. Or indeed also the great visualisation work sponsored by ITO, which helps to motivate the community to go out and collect these features.</p>
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		<title>By: chaitanya kuber</title>
		<link>http://www.cloudsourced.com/2010/07/06/whats-wrong-with-openstreetmap/comment-page-1/#comment-352</link>
		<dc:creator>chaitanya kuber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 06:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The points I would love to see covered are around the topic of usability.

- i think OSM needs a kick arse web interface to show case the power of the OSM data, the kind to compete with the Google Maps to allow folk to search the rich local information OSM has captured.
- someone else mentioned this above, usability of the editors also needs attention
- usability of the data via an api needs attention. cloudmade&#039;s api is a good example but they are commercial organisation and i think OSM needs an api of its own to provide that usability layer

I think usability in these aspects is key to growing OSM beyond the geo geeks to being an option on the table whenever people sit down to discuss their mapping needs in organisations around the world.

Good luck Chris, hope the discussion is fruitful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The points I would love to see covered are around the topic of usability.</p>
<p>- i think OSM needs a kick arse web interface to show case the power of the OSM data, the kind to compete with the Google Maps to allow folk to search the rich local information OSM has captured.<br />
- someone else mentioned this above, usability of the editors also needs attention<br />
- usability of the data via an api needs attention. cloudmade&#8217;s api is a good example but they are commercial organisation and i think OSM needs an api of its own to provide that usability layer</p>
<p>I think usability in these aspects is key to growing OSM beyond the geo geeks to being an option on the table whenever people sit down to discuss their mapping needs in organisations around the world.</p>
<p>Good luck Chris, hope the discussion is fruitful.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.cloudsourced.com/2010/07/06/whats-wrong-with-openstreetmap/comment-page-1/#comment-351</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 09:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perfect, this is going to complete anarchy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perfect, this is going to complete anarchy</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.cloudsourced.com/2010/07/06/whats-wrong-with-openstreetmap/comment-page-1/#comment-349</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 21:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The leadership is exactly what the project needed in 2006.  Discuss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The leadership is exactly what the project needed in 2006.  Discuss.</p>
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		<title>By: unknown</title>
		<link>http://www.cloudsourced.com/2010/07/06/whats-wrong-with-openstreetmap/comment-page-1/#comment-348</link>
		<dc:creator>unknown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 18:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea of forking off something which is truth if looking at ODbL...
Losing data and very active contributors for gaining an untested new license which moves more rights to a not trustworthy osmfoundation... 
Stupid**2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of forking off something which is truth if looking at ODbL&#8230;<br />
Losing data and very active contributors for gaining an untested new license which moves more rights to a not trustworthy osmfoundation&#8230;<br />
Stupid**2</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gale</title>
		<link>http://www.cloudsourced.com/2010/07/06/whats-wrong-with-openstreetmap/comment-page-1/#comment-347</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Gale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assuming Chris makes it off the stage in one piece after the panel is over, I&#039;d love to see these points covered:

Is OSM Finished?
Is OSM Just About The Map?
To Fork Or Not To Fork?
The Unfortunate License Question?

Too much to cover in a comment so these points are fleshed out in a post over on my blog - http://vtny.org/9C

Shame I won&#039;t be at Girona this year ... this will be a humdinger of a panel to participate in and to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assuming Chris makes it off the stage in one piece after the panel is over, I&#8217;d love to see these points covered:</p>
<p>Is OSM Finished?<br />
Is OSM Just About The Map?<br />
To Fork Or Not To Fork?<br />
The Unfortunate License Question?</p>
<p>Too much to cover in a comment so these points are fleshed out in a post over on my blog &#8211; <a href="http://vtny.org/9C" rel="nofollow">http://vtny.org/9C</a></p>
<p>Shame I won&#8217;t be at Girona this year &#8230; this will be a humdinger of a panel to participate in and to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Wood</title>
		<link>http://www.cloudsourced.com/2010/07/06/whats-wrong-with-openstreetmap/comment-page-1/#comment-345</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I say we want to persuade people using GIS software or google Maps API to move, that&#039;s not really what I meant. I mean persuade them to use OpenStreetMap data, and make sure they feel able to do that easily in whatever system they&#039;re comfortable with. And the point I&#039;m making is, there&#039;s nothing at the core of OpenStreetMap which needs to change to make that happen, but there&#039;s lots of work to do in the periphery. Happily that&#039;s the way the wind is blowing anyway, but we should get more organised about it. Actually an OSGB projected WMS service is perhaps the best concrete I was already of thinking of before you said it James. Very interested to see how that goes.

I can see that this panel discussion could end up being very philosophical: The evils of &quot;top-down control&quot; versus the difficulties of &quot;blind faith in the wiki anarchism&quot;. All quite interesting. I imagine Chris may have to work to keep the discussion anchored to real problems users have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I say we want to persuade people using GIS software or google Maps API to move, that&#8217;s not really what I meant. I mean persuade them to use OpenStreetMap data, and make sure they feel able to do that easily in whatever system they&#8217;re comfortable with. And the point I&#8217;m making is, there&#8217;s nothing at the core of OpenStreetMap which needs to change to make that happen, but there&#8217;s lots of work to do in the periphery. Happily that&#8217;s the way the wind is blowing anyway, but we should get more organised about it. Actually an OSGB projected WMS service is perhaps the best concrete I was already of thinking of before you said it James. Very interested to see how that goes.</p>
<p>I can see that this panel discussion could end up being very philosophical: The evils of &#8220;top-down control&#8221; versus the difficulties of &#8220;blind faith in the wiki anarchism&#8221;. All quite interesting. I imagine Chris may have to work to keep the discussion anchored to real problems users have.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Chance</title>
		<link>http://www.cloudsourced.com/2010/07/06/whats-wrong-with-openstreetmap/comment-page-1/#comment-343</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Chance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tagging - the lack of any means of democratic decision making due to a blind faith in the wiki anarchism not shared by any other major open source community leads to daft ambiguities like path / footway. These make maps and the data less usable. 

Harry is right about outreach but wrong about making them come to us. 

To add to others usability points, the many tools to check data for common faults, differences with public data, missing data, etc. vary in quality and are spread all over the place. 

And yes, after five years I miss blank spaces!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tagging &#8211; the lack of any means of democratic decision making due to a blind faith in the wiki anarchism not shared by any other major open source community leads to daft ambiguities like path / footway. These make maps and the data less usable. </p>
<p>Harry is right about outreach but wrong about making them come to us. </p>
<p>To add to others usability points, the many tools to check data for common faults, differences with public data, missing data, etc. vary in quality and are spread all over the place. </p>
<p>And yes, after five years I miss blank spaces!</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Feldman</title>
		<link>http://www.cloudsourced.com/2010/07/06/whats-wrong-with-openstreetmap/comment-page-1/#comment-342</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Feldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a corporate point of view. 

How can I &quot;pay&quot; or &quot;incentivise&quot; completion/coverage in areas I am interested in? 
How can I facilitate/initiate capture of attributes I need? 
How can i get clarity on the license and what I can do with the data?
etc etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a corporate point of view. </p>
<p>How can I &#8220;pay&#8221; or &#8220;incentivise&#8221; completion/coverage in areas I am interested in?<br />
How can I facilitate/initiate capture of attributes I need?<br />
How can i get clarity on the license and what I can do with the data?<br />
etc etc</p>
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